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作者: maxi 時間: 2004-12-1 11:43
標題: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
以下是一封ATI寫給客戶的EMAIL，其中大量引用了媒體對SLI的負面評價，堪稱是耳語傳播的代表作。

當然ATI歡迎大家轉寄喔...

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Hi,

Nvidia said that SLI would be God's gift to the graphics industry. The press are calling it something else, pointing to massive numbers of driver bugs, defective BIOS components, lack of product availability for months, performance lower with two cards than with one in some games like HL2, poor game compatibility, visual artifacts, high cost, excessive heat and noise, and the list goes on. See quotes below. And of course, pass it on.

Best regards
Sabine

MORE MONEY, SAME PERFORMANCE

"It's obvious that the extra expenditure for SLI isn't buying you anything in Far Cry, especially with HDR lighting enabled. Which leads me on nicely to the question of just what SLI buys you for your money."

Hexus.net

SLI SLOWER THAN WITH JUST ONE CARD IN HALF LIFE 2

"At 1024 x 768 you see there's basically no performance improvement with SLI enabled, and in some cases it's actually slightly slower."

Hexus.net

MONTHS AWAY FROM AVAILABILITY

"the majority of manufacturers won't have product on the streets until the first few months of 2005. "

Anand Lal Shimpi, Anandtech

POOR GAME COMPATIBILITY

"At present a number of games will not run at all with SLI."

"We disapprove of the situation that SLI currently is only possible with games released by NVIDIA."

"When buying an SLI system you should note that not all games work with this mode. Without the right SLI profile in the driver the game runs only on one card with SLI activated, and sometimes even more slowly than when SLI is deactivated."

Lars Weinand, Tom's Hardware Guide

A SERIES OF DEFECTIVE BIOS COMPONENTS

"The source of the problems turned out later to be a series of defective Bios components"

Lars Weinand, Tom's Hardware Guide

"We did have issues with stability on our 6800 Ultra cards. NVIDIA explained that we had cards with the wrong BIOS installed, so we flashed the cards but still experienced the same crashing issues."

Kyle Bennett, HardOCP

'LITERALLY RAINING CRASHES' - POOR DRIVERS

With the arrival of the first SLI-capable motherboards our enthusiasm was quickly dampened however. It was literally raining crashes and the lab SLI configuration with the GeForce 6800 and 6600 GT PCIe cards either could not be recognized or the computer would crash after a few seconds of error messages.

Anybody who is willing to invest over $1,000 for 3D graphics on his computer will also be able to live with the risk of an occasional game or computer crash while running SLI. Waiting for the next driver update or using some kind of leaked driver in order to use SLI with a new game is not a lot of fun and will most certainly not be seen as acceptable by the group for which it is targeted

Lars Weinand, Tom's Hardware Guide

"They are not to the level of stability that we would sign off on for your consumption."

"It did seem as through their load balancing algorithm was somewhat flawed or broken in parts of this game. While I am sure it is not simple to apply dynamic SFR to any game, it certainly should be working properly if it does try to apply it. Quite frankly I was surprised to see this issue in FarCry as NVIDIA surely knew that it would be one of the games to draw focus in almost any SLI article that you will read today."

"We still experienced the same hitching/pausing however, which can distract from gameplay. The Radeon X800Pro or X800XT-PE did not experience this problem. Hopefully this is a driver issue we will see fixed, but that is yet to be seen. Quite frankly, we find these hitches unacceptable in this particular game. It really detracts from gameplay and should not be happening on any DX9 video card"

Kyle Bennett, HardOCP

"Moreover, in certain games such as Unreal Tournament 2004, the AFR selected by NVIDIA does not offer increased performance, quite the contrary, and in others as IL-2 Pacific Fighters it introduces graphic bugs when certain graphics settings are selected."

Marc Prieur, Hardware.fr

NOISY

"An SLI machine is noisy, overheats and consumes an enormous amount of power."

Julien Jay, Clubic.com

作者: achen 時間: 2004-12-1 15:06
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
先不論不同的 chipset 比較, 因為我不玩 game 所以不同 chipset 之間的性能差異對我沒影響, 但是這兩個品牌比起來, 我本身對 ATI 很反感, 因為公司有幾百台電腦, 什麼顯示卡都有, 而其中 ATI 是讓 MIS 最頭痛的 !! Because:

ATI: Many drivers for one card -> 常常不知道怎麼選!!
nVidia: One driver for many cards -> 下載一個檔就搞定了!!

作者: 阿輝 時間: 2004-12-1 15:13
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
＠＠ ATI 現在顯示卡也都包成一個了啊...

作者: 小酒蟲 時間: 2004-12-1 15:20
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
舊卡那些部份還是很亂。

[ Last edited by 小酒蟲 on 2004-11-30 at 23:21 ]

作者: freeman_hsieh 時間: 2004-12-1 15:41
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
巷子裡的人都知道 ati 的 driver team 常常搞一些豬頭事件(雖然現在改進很多)..........

作者: maxi 時間: 2004-12-1 15:53
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
DRIVER方面的確是N寫的比較好
不過現在ATI也有改進了

作者: jekyll 時間: 2004-12-1 21:21
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？

Originally posted by achen at 2004-12-1 03:06 PM:
先不論不同的 chipset 比較, 因為我不玩 game 所以不同 chipset 之間的性能差異對我沒影響, 但是這兩個品牌比起來, 我本身對 ATI 很反感, 因為公司有幾百台電腦, 什麼顯示卡都有, 而其中 ATI 是讓 MIS 最頭痛的 !! Because:

ATI: Many drivers for one card -> 常常不知道怎麼選!!
nVidia: One driver for many cards -> 下載一個檔就搞定了!!

nVidia 不是也有一些"他牌"的dirver可用嗎??

作者: achen 時間: 2004-12-1 23:54
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？

Originally posted by jekyll at 2004-12-1 05:21 AM:

nVidia 不是也有一些"他牌"的dirver可用嗎??

當然有啊, 但是我不是在說買顯示卡附的 CD, 你如果有 CD 就一個蘿蔔一個坑不會搞混 (就算 ATI 也是一樣好搞).  我說的是當你卡上有顯示卡, 知道型號, 卻沒有 CD, 必須到 internet 上面找 driver 的時候, ATI 和 nVidia 就差很多了

或許這樣說很模糊又沒有說服力, 但是相信曾經手幾百台電腦的 MIS 人員會深有同感.  我來舉個實例好了,

我櫃子裡現在正好有:

一張 nVidia GeForce 256
一張 nVidia GeForce2 MX400

一張 ATI XPert2000 Pro
一張 ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 128

這四張卡時期差不多, 假設我 CD 都已經遺失, 須要driver, 大家作個實驗,  請各位先到 www.nvidia.com 去找第一, 二張卡給 Windows 2000 的 driver.

找到之後, 再到 www.ati.com 去找第三, 四張卡給 Windows 2000 的 driver. 一兩分鐘之後, 當你開始問自己... "XPert2000 在那裡

" 或是 "瞎米 WONDER

" 的那一刻, 優劣孰分.

[ Last edited by achen on 2004-12-1 at 08:04 ]

作者: freeman_hsieh 時間: 2004-12-2 01:37
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
>一張 ATI XPert2000 Pro
>一張 ATI ALL-IN-WONDER 128

這是因為在那時ATI還是自行生產顯示卡，所以在使用相同顯示晶片（RAGE128 SERIES）但是功能不同（AIW的卡可以讓PC看電視）的情況下，自然產品名稱會不一樣.............後來開始把晶片賣給其他廠商生產顯示卡以後，現在都是RADEON ？？？？晶片了..........

作者: HUANGLIFU 時間: 2004-12-2 01:44
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
ati的驅動程式，其實我都用猜的~~不行再換吧，或者讓os自己比對機碼~~

作者: 小酒蟲 時間: 2004-12-2 01:45
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
新版 ATI driver for Win 2000 還規定要先裝 SP4 才成。

作者: HUANGLIFU 時間: 2004-12-2 02:04
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
還要裝DirectX 9吧~~~不過NVIDIA不要太新的卡最近windows update可以直接抓到，爽!!!不過win2k sp4應該是常態了~~

作者: 小酒蟲 時間: 2004-12-2 02:08
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？
因為我習慣 drivers 都裝完再裝 SP。B)

作者: HUANGLIFU 時間: 2004-12-2 02:10
標題: Re: [分享] □極機密文件□ATI對NVIDIA有多不爽？

Originally posted by 小酒蟲 at 2004-12-2 02:08:
因為我習慣 drivers 都裝完再裝 SP。B)

我也是，不過要改了，一堆東西沒有裝sp不給裝，裝了sp和windows update之後很多東西也不用裝，作業系統內建或許效能比較差，不過一般是比較穩。

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